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Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:08 pm
by Dryunya
Scarab wrote:You know, it's actually worrying how much of our general strategies for ANYTHING boil down to "let's not tell them the whole story or they'll probably think we're completely cuckoo." Is that just a Metaguard thing, or what?


Well, the first time it was more due to incompetence, as the characters found themselves in a weird situation, and had good reasons to trust us (and also there were the existential and ethical refic problems, but whatever). This time, we're dealing with a civilian ( :gurt: ) who has no reason to believe our single word.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:35 pm
by Blurred_9L
Well... as of now, I think we have no way of talking to Becky without making her more freaked out, if we were to tell her the truth we need to think of a way that makes it believable and, perhaps, through a medium that prevents New Light from finding out that she knows what their true intentions are (and therefore putting her in even more danger).

It would be useful to have her as some sort of cover agent, but that would be too dangerous for her, right?

Well, anyway, we're still waiting for her to get back to us in some way after Dryu's last tweet about her trying to find the truth, so in the end she might already be in danger .-.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:56 pm
by narrativedilettante
From my perspective:

Giving ANYONE anything less than 100% of the information available feels dishonest and I'm not comfortable with it. That's a huge problem I had with behavior in TWWF and, if people keep acting that way for this ARG, I'm not going to participate in most of the ARG. That's not a threat or a demand, I'm just stating that so people know.

It's uncomfortable to me that we're having this discussion in a thread that Matrx can't read.

I don't want to force other people to play the game the way I feel it should be played, but I definitely am not comfortable with the way the game is being played.

But I'm not following the game closely at all, so feel free to continue on your current course, and I'll continue to not pay much attention.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:16 pm
by Scarab
narrativedilettante wrote:Giving ANYONE anything less than 100% of the information available feels dishonest and I'm not comfortable with it. That's a huge problem I had with behaviour in TWWF and, if people keep acting that way for this ARG, I'm not going to participate in most of the ARG. That's not a threat or a demand, I'm just stating that so people know.


There is sometimes, on occasions, very specific occasions, mind you, a very good reason for people not to be one entirely truthful with someone. Giving someone one hundred percent of the information in this particular scenario will a) make her think we're complete lunatics and b) will probably get her killed. The real world doesn't always allow for total honesty. You're basically slamming people for dishonesty in a situation where dishonesty might well be the ONLY OPTION which doesn't result in a death.

I think that comment answers Jack's question, too: no, I don't think we should tell her exactly what's happening, but making it clear to her she may be in danger? That we should maybe try and do.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:25 pm
by Blurred_9L
New video.

Seems like Matrx has something to do with those strange lights? Also, he says: "Observation complete. Comprehension minimal." I wonder if he's referring to death/the funeral?

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 7:49 pm
by The Wild West Pyro
Blurred_9L wrote:New video.

Seems like Matrx has something to do with those strange lights? Also, he says: "Observation complete. Comprehension minimal." I wonder if he's referring to death/the funeral?


Possibly. The bells refer to a funeral, of course. He seems to be referring to it-and the title of the video makes it look like it's a moment of silence for Brent. The skies represent Heaven, too.

And who is this Rodriguez guy commenting at the bottom of the video?

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 8:45 pm
by Blurred_9L
That's me Pyro >.> I wanted to save you a few seconds of the time it takes you to google a binary to ascii converter >.>

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:49 am
by The Wild West Pyro
Blurred_9L wrote:That's me Pyro >.> I wanted to save you a few seconds of the time it takes you to google a binary to ascii converter >.>


Thank you for the trouble! :gurt:

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 6:09 am
by Dryunya
A minor heads-up you're probably aware of: Lucy the Timeline is up, as well as Becky's new blog post. It's safe to assume she's more or less on our side now, but I'm not sure about her safety.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 10:47 am
by Scarab
Dryunya wrote:A minor heads-up you're probably aware of: Lucy the Timeline is up, as well as Becky's new blog post. It's safe to assume she's more or less on our side now, but I'm not sure about her safety.

HER NAME IS PRUDENCE.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 11:29 am
by Anura
Lucy Prudence.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 1:30 pm
by Dryunya
Works for me. :D

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 7:57 pm
by The Wild West Pyro
Dryunya wrote:Works for me. :D


Lucy Prudence the Timeline!

And Suzy Prudence.

Just found this on Cracked:
http://i.imgur.com/HmOBe6e.jpg
Seems like the Death Star's original design is suspiciously similar to Matrx's form.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:41 am
by Anura
No, it's just Susie.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:45 am
by Sophira
I made a new subforum about Matrix/New Light under the Metaguard Projects forum. I'm going to move all the relevant threads there.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 5:42 pm
by Scarab
Sophira wrote:I made a new subforum about Matrix/New Light under the Metaguard Projects forum. I'm going to move all the relevant threads there.


Thanks, Soph!

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 5:44 pm
by JRPictures
Here's the set of messages between me and Rebecca from this morning. She definitely wants to be involved, but she wants info regarding her father's death back in return.

Looks like we'll have to continue with email now too. New Light is definitely keeping watch.

Rebecca F. 6h
Hey.
You know the other people on my twitter, right? I mean, you're all friends, or at the very least know one another?

Jonathan Rizko 1h
Yeah I know most of them

Rebecca F. 1h
Then if I promise to help you find out what's going on here, whatever that is or isn't, will you help me find out what happened to my dad?

Jonathan Rizko 1h
Ill promise to do whatever I can to help

Rebecca F. 12m
Alright. Then tell me what you need to know

Jonathan Rizko 10m
Let me get back to you on that, I just need to think a few things through

Rebecca F. 4m
Okay. When you do, you can use my existing email, it's not connected to work, but DON'T use twitter

Rebecca F. 3m
I get the feeling the net isn't the best place to have these conversations.

Jonathan Rizko 1m
Good point, I'll be sure to email you later about all this

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:08 pm
by Scarab
Well... that's great, the question is though what do we actually have to give her?

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:41 pm
by JRPictures
Scarab wrote:Well... that's great, the question is though what do we actually have to give her?

Good question, that's why I said I'd have to think about things before I gave her anything. We really need to be careful with what we tell her about all this.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:01 pm
by narrativedilettante
A couple of questions.

This is from Dryu's post about Rebecca forwarding Brent's email to Eli:

This arrived a bit later:
Rebecca wrote:Maybe. My security code on my card is 78-RF-01 But it’s just your Employee Dept. Number, initials, and working floor.


This seems like she's answering a question. Did someone ask her a question? What's the context here?

Also, the timeline says that the voice from the future was confirmed to be Adell. Where did that confirmation come from?

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:29 pm
by eli_gone_crazy
I have some Twitter DM's that i haven't published, Narra. I specifically asked for that code.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:44 pm
by narrativedilettante
Was there a reason to ask for the code? Is it... related to anything?

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:43 pm
by eli_gone_crazy
Not a real specific one. At the time of asking, I thought that she was going to die soon. I was trying to milk as much information as I could.

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 1:43 pm
by Dryunya
narrativedilettante wrote:Was there a reason to ask for the code? Is it... related to anything?

Brent wrote:Reply as soon as you know. Don’t forget your security key next time!

Rebecca said she'd never forget her key, so we thought it was a hint. So far, it didn't mean anything.

eli_gone_crazy wrote:At the time of asking, I thought that she was going to die soon. I was trying to milk as much information as I could.

That's just morbid. You could at least tell us if you had a hunch. :shock:
And, well... She still might, you know. I don't want to be responsible for that. >_>

Re: @!!$$%!*!(@)!!$$(!$&

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:19 pm
by Dryunya
JRPictures wrote:
Scarab wrote:Well... that's great, the question is though what do we actually have to give her?

Good question, that's why I said I'd have to think about things before I gave her anything. We really need to be careful with what we tell her about all this.

I propose the most open approach, short of just showing her the timeline. Basically, we do a Weirdness Censor on our facts, and we are left with the following official premise:
  1. We have someone who left New Light with their some of their experimental tech. He only contacts us on his own terms, but the info is reliable. (That's Matrx, obviously.)
  2. One of us knows him personally, that's how we got involved. (He doesn't know him that personally yet, but she doesn't have to know that.)
  3. We don't know much yet, except for New Light's general evilness and ambitious weaponizable technology in late stages of development.
  4. Everything we discovered after we found Rebecca's blog is pretty much fair game.
The drawback to this particular approach is that it's not exactly lying (we tend to stick to Exact Words, don't we ;) ), but it does come pretty close.

And please let's say right away that we don't actually know anything about her father. We can still help her find out, but she shouldn't get her hopes out. Our only actual help here is knowing the right guy, codebreaking, pixelhunting and being Genre Savvy. After all, Brent and her father might have... just known each other, with no underlying conspiracy.
Ok, who am I kidding. ._.