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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Victin on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:37 pm

Endless Sea wrote:
Victin wrote:(OOC:I'm not refusing, I just misunderstood what is happening to me; Also, god-modding in Munchkin and that's starting to get on my nerves. Gambitting is ok, but not letting anyone else win is just... :x :x :x :x :x :x )


(OOC: It's Sicon. We gotta deal with it. My current exercise in bullying that there dragon is an attempt to try and screw with him at his own game (and get him to stop wtfpwning everyone long enough to have an actual fight), but I have no illusions that I'll succeed.)

(Also, that attack was provoked in part by you randomly attacking me out of nowhere. Not cool.)

(I want to get stronger, so I need to add new stuff to my character and improve what I already have)
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Endless Sea on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:39 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
Endless Sea wrote:Ah, Sicon, you're active! Good. I wouldn't want you to miss this.

(Within Sicon's extradimensional doom fortress, an enormous portal opens up and disgorges Acrigeon's war cocoon (incidentally, it's named Black Opal VI), which immediately starts emitting miniature pulsars, black holes, and electron disruption pulses in every direction via its shields. Yes, war cocoons attack with magic shields. It's useful.)

Nothing personal, Sicon- I just want to shake things up a bit. Do try and enjoy the fight, won't you? Just killing us instantly or revealing that we ended up in an entirely different location without us realizing it would be such an anticlimax after all of my hard work. Do note that I don't expect to win by any means- again, I'm merely here to have some fun.


Well... would this be a bad time to mention that I decided I needed some extra money to fund my experiments and so I rented out that wing of the fortress to some of Isla's in-laws?

Really?

Because I didn't. Instead I just turned the entire wing into a ravenous hole in reality. That is sentient. It sort of appeared after I ran that experiment involving turning a black hole inside out. It wanted to eat me, but after I kicked its ass and promised it food, it agreed to be my servant. It's odd in that it doesn't exactly seem to exist. It's like a huge hallucination. Except it makes everything it touches a hallucination. That makes everything THAT touches a hallucination. Then it gets to something sentient, and... well, I'm not sure WHAT happens. Shall we find out? It DID just leap across dimensional barriers into the Coffee Room. I wonder who will be eaten first...

Now, in the meantime, I'm going to lock it out of here just to save myself the bother if it gets uppity and tries to attack me.

*Warped remains of the ship slam into the coffee room from a hole in space that begins to devour the surrounding area as... whoever Endless is is hurled clear of the wreck.*

Oh, wow, you survived that? Well, you ARE still being chased by that... something. According to my experiments, it doesn't actually interact with reality at all, so it can't exactly be stopped either. It should be interesting to see if you all find a way to survive this...

In the meantime, I need to rebuild all this crap. Luckily, Xana stored some nanobots in the back room before I took it over, so it shouldn't take TOO long to rebuild the infinity chamber. What a bother...


Oh, my, there goes the first dummy ship. Well, fifth, actually.

*Black Opal III, IV, V all show up in doom fortress and start attacking like their sister ship*
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Endless Sea on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:42 pm

Victin wrote:
Endless Sea wrote:
Victin wrote:(OOC:I'm not refusing, I just misunderstood what is happening to me; Also, god-modding in Munchkin and that's starting to get on my nerves. Gambitting is ok, but not letting anyone else win is just... :x :x :x :x :x :x )


(OOC: It's Sicon. We gotta deal with it. My current exercise in bullying that there dragon is an attempt to try and screw with him at his own game (and get him to stop wtfpwning everyone long enough to have an actual fight), but I have no illusions that I'll succeed.)

(Also, that attack was provoked in part by you randomly attacking me out of nowhere. Not cool.)

(I want to get stronger, so I need to add new stuff to my character and improve what I already have)


(Might want to go about that a different way. You can't just say, ooh, new weaps, now I can kill Sicon! That'll just make him angry.)
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Victin on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:43 pm

*sets Giant Robot and Potato to shoot a laser beam*

*eject*

*is shot*

*respawn*

Now I'll battle alongside Endless. FULL POWAH!
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Genndy Oda C.O.G. on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:45 pm

*pulls out Ω-Mallet* May I join in on this battle?
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Victin on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:47 pm

Genndy Oda C.O.G. wrote:*pulls out Ω-Mallet* May I join in on this battle?

Full Trio Attack: Triple Ultimate: Endless / Victin / Genndy

ENDLESS MALLET OF VICTING
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Endless Sea on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:48 pm

Victin wrote:*sets Giant Robot and Potato to shoot a laser beam*

*eject*

*is shot*

*respawn*

Now I'll battle alongside Endless. FULL POWAH!


Genndy Oda C.O.G. wrote:*pulls out Ω-Mallet* May I join in on this battle?


Well, this is Sicon we're dealing with, so it's not exactly going to be easy.

...Ah, to hell with it. Here.

*warps over some AI rubies to Victin and Oda*

Some extra power and combat data, free of charge. Do what you want with them, but I'd suggest using them as power-ups.
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Victin on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:58 pm

Let me list all the powers I can remember:

- Reality Warping Imagination
- Giant Robot and Potato
- PDA with Reality Warping Powers
- Kusanagi
- Ahab's Crosshairs
- Multiple Scarab/Maggot bodies (alternate form of me)
- Able to perform the Fusion Dance
- High body, mind and soul density due to fusion with many instantiations of me
- A wide range of potions and other items (OOC: list is somewhere here and I'm too lazy to pick it)
- Probably more stuff I don't remember

*uses the AI rubies in Giant Robot, Giant Robot's Giant Robot, PDA, Kusanagi, Ahab's Crosshairs and myself, but keeps some for later*

Okay, now to make sure there aren't traps all around.
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Endless Sea on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:00 pm

Victin wrote:Let me list all the powers I can remember:

- Reality Warping Imagination
- Giant Robot and Potato
- PDA with Reality Warping Powers
- Kusanagi
- Ahab's Crosshairs
- Multiple Scarab/Maggot bodies (alternate form of me)
- Able to perform the Fusion Dance
- High body, mind and soul density due to fusion with many instantiations of me
- A wide range of potions and other items (OOC: list is somewhere here and I'm too lazy to pick it)
- Probably more stuff I don't remember

*uses the AI rubies in Giant Robot, Giant Robot's Giant Robot, PDA, Kusanagi, Ahab's Crosshairs and myself, but keeps some for later*

Okay, now to make sure there aren't traps all around.


There are. There ALWAYS are. Save your strength and hold back for now. I've got a plan. No telling if it'll work, but it's still there.
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Sicon112 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:00 pm

Endless Sea wrote:Oh, my, there goes the first dummy ship. Well, fifth, actually.

*Black Opal III, IV, V all show up in doom fortress and start attacking like their sister ship*


Well, I have to thank you for getting that thing out of my way. And also unleashing it on everyone else.

Well, I think it is time for my backup plan, seeing as with Victin's escape, my research is complete. Goodbye, silly ships. It's a shame to lose the Doom Fortress 2.0, but here we go!

*presses button labeled "De-Spawn"*

*the whole dimension collapses in an instant, consuming everything and everyone in it, including me and all of my stuff*

*voice from nowhere*

Well, it seems my calculations were correct! Just as planned!

*huge explosion of blue fire hits the respawn point in the coffee room and Sicon steps out, no longer looking like Sabrac, but instead wearing his awesome coat from Scarab's picture and holding a black katana in its sheath with his left hand.*

*The others caught in it respawn right after*

Aaaaaaah, much better. Damn, messing with the laws of the universe is fun. This is why I've been pulling this off the whole time. I needed to lure some sufficiently powerful sacrifices into my realm to collapse it and screw up the respawn system. I think I have enough power for a few more tries. Anyone want a go?
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Scarab on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:02 pm

*Just sort of sits there, with a sketchbook scribbling people as the battle continues*

...Sicon, dude, it's REALLY hard to visualise a unvierse collapsing and speed draw it, could you maybe do that less?
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Genndy Oda C.O.G. on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:03 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
Endless Sea wrote:Oh, my, there goes the first dummy ship. Well, fifth, actually.

*Black Opal III, IV, V all show up in doom fortress and start attacking like their sister ship*


Well, I have to thank you for getting that thing out of my way. And also unleashing it on everyone else.

Well, I think it is time for my backup plan, seeing as with Victin's escape, my research is complete. Goodbye, silly ships. It's a shame to lose the Doom Fortress 2.0, but here we go!

*presses button labeled "De-Spawn"*

*the whole dimension collapses in an instant, consuming everything and everyone in it, including me and all of my stuff*

*voice from nowhere*

Well, it seems my calculations were correct! Just as planned!

*huge explosion of blue fire hits the respawn point in the coffee room and Sicon steps out, no longer looking like Sabrac, but instead wearing his awesome coat from Scarab's picture and holding a black katana in its sheath with his left hand.*

*The others caught in it respawn right after*

Aaaaaaah, much better. Damn, messing with the laws of the universe is fun. This is why I've been pulling this off the whole time. I needed to lure some sufficiently powerful sacrifices into my realm to collapse it and screw up the respawn system. I think I have enough power for a few more tries. Anyone want a go?

I'll try.
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Endless Sea on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:05 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
Endless Sea wrote:Oh, my, there goes the first dummy ship. Well, fifth, actually.

*Black Opal III, IV, V all show up in doom fortress and start attacking like their sister ship*


Well, I have to thank you for getting that thing out of my way. And also unleashing it on everyone else.

Well, I think it is time for my backup plan, seeing as with Victin's escape, my research is complete. Goodbye, silly ships. It's a shame to lose the Doom Fortress 2.0, but here we go!

*presses button labeled "De-Spawn"*

*the whole dimension collapses in an instant, consuming everything and everyone in it, including me and all of my stuff*

*voice from nowhere*

Well, it seems my calculations were correct! Just as planned!

*huge explosion of blue fire hits the respawn point in the coffee room and Sicon steps out, no longer looking like Sabrac, but instead wearing his awesome coat from Scarab's picture and holding a black katana in its sheath with his left hand.*

*The others caught in it respawn right after*

Aaaaaaah, much better. Damn, messing with the laws of the universe is fun. This is why I've been pulling this off the whole time. I needed to lure some sufficiently powerful sacrifices into my realm to collapse it and screw up the respawn system. I think I have enough power for a few more tries. Anyone want a go?


...You did not just do that.

Alright. Fine. Be that way.

(Black Opal I through VI show up, then another wave, then another, and repeat ad nauseum; all open fire)

(...I spelled that right, right?)
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Sicon112 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:12 pm

Genndy Oda C.O.G. wrote:I'll try.


OK! Here!

*holds up button and presses it, causing Genndy to, for an outside POV, turn inside out and then appear to implode before shattering*

You should reform with.. well I have no idea what you will get from it, but it should be cool. Any second now...

Endless Sea wrote:...You did not just do that.

Alright. Fine. Be that way.

(Black Opal I through VI show up, then another wave, then another, and repeat ad nauseum; all open fire)

(...I spelled that right, right?)


*Attacks engulf Sicon*

*Walks up from behind Endless and stands next to him*

Nice light show. Did it ever occur to you that it might be a bad idea to attack someone who just got a power level up that wasn't yet explained? No?

Well, I'm afraid you've been cut in half for the past thirty seconds, so it's a moot point anyhow.

*there is an audible click as the final inch of his katana is returned to its sheath, and Sicon slowly melts into blue flames that twist away as if blown out by some invisible wind*
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Endless Sea on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:19 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
Genndy Oda C.O.G. wrote:I'll try.


OK! Here!

*holds up button and presses it, causing Genndy to, for an outside POV, turn inside out and then appear to implode before shattering*

You should reform with.. well I have no idea what you will get from it, but it should be cool. Any second now...

Endless Sea wrote:...You did not just do that.

Alright. Fine. Be that way.

(Black Opal I through VI show up, then another wave, then another, and repeat ad nauseum; all open fire)

(...I spelled that right, right?)


*Attacks engulf Sicon*

*Walks up from behind Endless and stands next to him*

Nice light show. Did it ever occur to you that it might be a bad idea to attack someone who just got a power level up that wasn't yet explained? No?

Well, I'm afraid you've been cut in half for the past thirty seconds, so it's a moot point anyhow.

*there is an audible click as the final inch of his katana is returned to its sheath, and Sicon slowly melts into blue flames that twist away as if blown out by some invisible wind*


...I'm sorry, was that supposed to do something? Did you forget the whole bit about me being patron stone deity to an entire empire? Did you not take any hints from how I was constantly shedding crystal bits? What about the nigh-endless supply of replicas of the same six ships over and over again, each with the exact same contents- including passengers?

I won't reveal specifics yet, but I'll leave you a few facts- first, slaying this body won't kill me; second, due to the discovery that time travel is now exploitable, there's more than one me out there.

*ships lock on to any detectable signs of Sicon's energies, warp within range, and resume firing*
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby eli_gone_crazy on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:19 pm

....this was pretty badass

great job si.

I'll have a go.
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Scarab on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:20 pm

eli_gone_crazy wrote:....this was pretty badass

great job si.

I'll have a go.


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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Sicon112 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:26 pm

Endless Sea wrote:...I'm sorry, was that supposed to do something? Did you forget the whole bit about me being patron stone deity to an entire empire? Did you not take any hints from how I was constantly shedding crystal bits? What about the nigh-endless supply of replicas of the same six ships over and over again, each with the exact same contents- including passengers?

I won't reveal specifics yet, but I'll leave you a few facts- first, slaying this body won't kill me; second, due to the discovery that time travel is now exploitable, there's more than one me out there.

*ships lock on to any detectable signs of Sicon's energies, warp within range, and resume firing*


Of course it was supposed to do something. It was supposed to make you think I had made a miscalculation and lure you right where I wanted you.

*Ships appear right behind Sicon and open fire*

*the magic shields immediately come into contact with the enormous anti-reality entity that I released on the Coffee Room a few posts ago that everyone forgot about. (wow that says a lot about this place) Sensing pray, the sentient hole attacks and engulfs all the ships, devouring them at once as the Sicon that was in front of them fades out as before*

So... anyone else want powers now that that is dealt with?

*another Sicon appears sitting in a booth once more*
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Sicon112 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:30 pm

eli_gone_crazy wrote:....this was pretty badass

great job si.

I'll have a go.


Sure, sure. Here you go!

*Presses button and same thing happens to eli*
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Endless Sea on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:34 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
Endless Sea wrote:...I'm sorry, was that supposed to do something? Did you forget the whole bit about me being patron stone deity to an entire empire? Did you not take any hints from how I was constantly shedding crystal bits? What about the nigh-endless supply of replicas of the same six ships over and over again, each with the exact same contents- including passengers?

I won't reveal specifics yet, but I'll leave you a few facts- first, slaying this body won't kill me; second, due to the discovery that time travel is now exploitable, there's more than one me out there.

*ships lock on to any detectable signs of Sicon's energies, warp within range, and resume firing*


Of course it was supposed to do something. It was supposed to make you think I had made a miscalculation and lure you right where I wanted you.

*Ships appear right behind Sicon and open fire*

*the magic shields immediately come into contact with the enormous anti-reality entity that I released on the Coffee Room a few posts ago that everyone forgot about. (wow that says a lot about this place) Sensing pray, the sentient hole attacks and engulfs all the ships, devouring them at once as the Sicon that was in front of them fades out as before*

So... anyone else want powers now that that is dealt with?

*another Sicon appears sitting in a booth once more*


...There's a reason why I used a term as vague as "any detectable sources". And, as luck would have it, said sentient hole was among them, having spent so much time around one of your fortresses. It was actually being dealt with and is currently in the process of being contained.

Or, if you prefer, I'll just remind you about my exploiting time travel and pull out a few more fleets. And by "few" I mean literally incomprehensible amounts.

Also, sentient holes are kind of simple to escape from when you can change into an amorphous cloud of crystal dust at will.
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Sicon112 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:43 pm

Endless Sea wrote:...There's a reason why I used a term as vague as "any detectable sources". And, as luck would have it, said sentient hole was among them, having spent so much time around one of your fortresses. It was actually being dealt with and is currently in the process of being contained.

Or, if you prefer, I'll just remind you about my exploiting time travel and pull out a few more fleets. And by "few" I mean literally incomprehensible amounts.

Also, sentient holes are kind of simple to escape from when you can change into an amorphous cloud of crystal dust at will.


I would like to remind you that the sentient hole has the odd property of only interacting with reality in one direction. Anything that touches it becomes a part of it and like it, which is what I mean by "devours". Any properties objects had in reality are negated as they gain the properties of a part of the hole. Unfortunately, while it interacts with reality this way, reality does not interact with it, so I'm afraid containing measures are hopelessly doomed.

So, since it actually seems to be full after eating this second infinite fleet, I'm gonna go take it and do some more experiments on it. C'mere boy!

*hole phases back out of the Coffee Room*

Oh wait, that's right, I have no doom fortress anymore. Good thing I already had a plan in place to rectify that. By passing along more powerups to people who, during their last respawn I had fused with some fancy devices I created with the sonic screwdriver I stole from eli I managed to introduce a bug in the spawn system so that it forgot that it despawned my fortress and the data was saved.

*presses button*

There we go! Doom Fortress 3.0 now up and running, just as planned. I'm off to play Minecraft now, bye folks!
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Endless Sea on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:48 pm

Sicon112 wrote:
Endless Sea wrote:...There's a reason why I used a term as vague as "any detectable sources". And, as luck would have it, said sentient hole was among them, having spent so much time around one of your fortresses. It was actually being dealt with and is currently in the process of being contained.

Or, if you prefer, I'll just remind you about my exploiting time travel and pull out a few more fleets. And by "few" I mean literally incomprehensible amounts.

Also, sentient holes are kind of simple to escape from when you can change into an amorphous cloud of crystal dust at will.


I would like to remind you that the sentient hole has the odd property of only interacting with reality in one direction. Anything that touches it becomes a part of it and like it, which is what I mean by "devours". Any properties objects had in reality are negated as they gain the properties of a part of the hole. Unfortunately, while it interacts with reality this way, reality does not interact with it, so I'm afraid containing measures are hopelessly doomed.

So, since it actually seems to be full after eating this second infinite fleet, I'm gonna go take it and do some more experiments on it. C'mere boy!

*hole phases back out of the Coffee Room*

Oh wait, that's right, I have no doom fortress anymore. Good thing I already had a plan in place to rectify that. By passing along more powerups to people who, during their last respawn I had fused with some fancy devices I created with the sonic screwdriver I stole from eli I managed to introduce a bug in the spawn system so that it forgot that it despawned my fortress and the data was saved.

*presses button*

There we go! Doom Fortress 3.0 now up and running, just as planned. I'm off to play Minecraft now, bye folks!


I do believe that infinite fleets cannot be fully consumed due to being, you know, infinite. Plus, seeing as the kind of magic I and my kind use can be summed up as "fuck up/flat out ignore reality via [insert method here]", I believe that something that assimilates reality won't be too much of a problem.

(Seriously, that's actually how I define magic for these guys. I actually talked about it in the chat once! I saved the conversation to a word document, so if you want, I can show it to you.)
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Genndy Oda C.O.G. on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:50 pm

*finally reforms as a bespectacled young man wearing a navy suit, lime green tie, and a hat. (It doesn't matter what hat it is.)* ...I just went One-Winged Angel. I just went One-Winged Angel! Thanks, Sicon! You're awes :gurt: me! I'd change my image, but I don't have one... yet.
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby Sicon112 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:54 pm

Endless Sea wrote:I do believe that infinite fleets cannot be fully consumed due to being, you know, infinite. Plus, seeing as the kind of magic I and my kind use can be summed up as "fuck up/flat out ignore reality via [insert method here]", I believe that something that assimilates reality won't be too much of a problem.

(Seriously, that's actually how I define magic for these guys. I actually talked about it in the chat once! I saved the conversation to a word document, so if you want, I can show it to you.)


I didn't think you had noticed the way I defined this things ability. Guess not. Upon contact with anything, it instantaenously assimilates it, giving it the property to instantaneously assimilate things. This means that it is expanding constantly at an infinitely fast rate.

Secondly, this thing literally only interacts with ANYTHING to assimilate it, meaning that there are two options:

A) It interacts with something and assimilates it

B) It does not want to interact with something, and that thing remains the same, but the hole is unaffected...

So, yeah. Bye now.

Genndy Oda C.O.G. wrote:*finally reforms as a bespectacled young man wearing a navy suit, lime green tie, and a hat. (It doesn't matter what hat it is.)* ...I just went One-Winged Angel. I just went One-Winged Angel! Thanks, Sicon! You're awes :gurt: me!


You're welcome. Admittedly I had an ulterior motive, but I DID give you a legit powerup, so...
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Re: The Coffee Room

Postby eli_gone_crazy on Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:54 pm

*pops back into existence*
*falls down and curls up into a ball, holding her head*
GAH, so much noise!

*starts trying to stand up, reaching for the master sword and one of the sonicers*

grrr, I knew it was spazzy.

*starts talking to the driver*
Well you didn't HAVE to let him have that! That was the!-oh, uhuh... uhuh... ooooohhhh...okay, I see.

*starts walking around, talking to the technology*
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