The Coffee Room

[IslaKariese]

*stands, charred and slightly crispy*

...*koff*

[The Wild West Pyro]

*stands, charred and slightly crispy*

...*koff*

Oh.

OK.

( Climbs back in with his things, only to find that his wings are...crispy.)

Don't worry. You can eat them off. They're dove feathers, they grow back after you bit the burnt bits off.

[IslaKariese]

*yips, delicately picking off small downy feathers with her paws and munching on them languidly*

[The Wild West Pyro]

*yips, delicately picking off small downy feathers with her paws and munching on them languidly*

It's like crisps to her, only more gamey. And of course, ANGEL WINGS ARE EXTREMELY LOW CALORIE, BECAUSE GOD IS JUST THAT AWESOME.

*Seriously, don't try to eat Devil Wings, they're greasy, and have massive calories. Oh, and it takes half an hour to chew a piece.*

( Continues reading.)

[Victin]

I'm not sure what this is, but I think I found Pixel O_o

And also, the scariest superpower of all.

[JRPictures]

I'm not sure what this is, but I think I found Pixel O_o

And also, the scariest superpower of all.

Scary indeed, since this room already did it.

DUN DUN DUUUUN

[Pixelmage]

If we don't have physics, there's no reason to compare powers and stuff like that, as there's no mathematical truth to be used as a baseline.

If we do have physics, the Manipulation of Perspective is way overblown in there and it's nowhere near as powerful as it's played up to be.

But cheers for Sakuya.

[Sicon112]

Manipulation of perspective is DANGEROUS, but... it doesn't work like that. At all. -_-' That would be because the power is based on faulty assumption.

[Victin]

Manipulation of perspective is DANGEROUS, but... it doesn't work like that. At all. -_-' That would be because the power is based on faulty assumption.

o.o How does it work then?

[Sicon112]

Manipulation of perspective is DANGEROUS, but... it doesn't work like that. At all. -_-' That would be because the power is based on faulty assumption.

o.o How does it work then?

Power of perspectives would create really mind screw powers and illusionary stuff, like Sosuke Aizen plus acid trip, but it wouldn't allow direct manipulation of reality itself. However, the person who created that assumes that reality does not exist. That there is nothing that can be called reality and all that is only exists within our minds, as we see it. In that way, you could use perception to manipulate reality, because reality and perception are the same thing. However, if reality is reality, and there are underlying laws to it, such as physical laws, then that power no longer works that way. You can trap people in perfect illusions, but because their perceptions remain exactly that, perceptions of what is real, you cannot actually use it on reality, because that is something separate. More correctly, the power that guy uses could be called "Manipulation of That Which Is Perceived". And that is essentially reality warping, except he can't warp something that no one knows about.

[Victin]

... Okay, sorry, I lost track at some points but understood others, may you explain it in Layman's Terms?

I think I have an argument angainst what you said, but I'd like to be sure before saying anything.

[Sicon112]

Short version is this: What they describe there is essentially a clone of basic reality warping with a different name tacked onto it. Manipulation of Perspective is something entirely different from what they have written down. Manipulation of Perspective allows you to manipulate how people perceive the world, which is, for all intents and purposes, to lock them into a perfect illusion. It also has applications as a form of mind control.

Their argument is that reality is defined by how you perceive it, and therefore has no existence of its own apart from that, meaning that if you change how someone sees something, you are fundamentally modifying how that thing looks, etc. This is very silly. If that were true, then hundreds upon hundreds of years ago, the Earth was the center of the universe, and everything orbited around it, because that was how people perceived reality to be.

My argument is that regardless of what you sense or think, something exists, and you may or may not be right about it. Manipulation of Perspective can change how you look at the world, but not what the world is.

[Pixelmage]

You manipulate what people perceive. Not what the object is.

Which is why I said that if physics is on in the setting, that power is overplayed in that wiki.

Basically, I affect you to perceive that you can break a wall with your fingers. Fine so far, but that doesn't change either your fingers or the building, because it didn't change the object. When you try to shove your hand into the wall to break it, physics kick in and you break your own hands, regardless of how you "saw" the relation between fingers and stone walls.

It's probably the most powerful illusory power. But it doesn't affect how reality works, provided that there are physical laws. It can only work as described in the wiki in a fully conceptual universe, which most settings are not.

[Genndy Oda C.O.G.]

*enters Coffee Room, unnoticed by the commotion, and pours a cup of hot chocolate.*

[Lordxana0]

*enters Coffee Room, unnoticed by the commotion, and pours a cup of hot chocolate.*

*walks over to Genndy and smacks the hot chocolate to the floor* No outside drinks. Here take some chocolate Green Stuff[*]tm[*] *hands it to you and walks away muttering about who people think they are and being to big for their britches*

[Victin]

Short version is this: What they describe there is essentially a clone of basic reality warping with a different name tacked onto it. Manipulation of Perspective is something entirely different from what they have written down. Manipulation of Perspective allows you to manipulate how people perceive the world, which is, for all intents and purposes, to lock them into a perfect illusion. It also has applications as a form of mind control.

Their argument is that reality is defined by how you perceive it, and therefore has no existence of its own apart from that, meaning that if you change how someone sees something, you are fundamentally modifying how that thing looks, etc. This is very silly. If that were true, then hundreds upon hundreds of years ago, the Earth was the center of the universe, and everything orbited around it, because that was how people perceived reality to be.

My argument is that regardless of what you sense or think, something exists, and you may or may not be right about it. Manipulation of Perspective can change how you look at the world, but not what the world is.

You manipulate what people perceive. Not what the object is.

Which is why I said that if physics is on in the setting, that power is overplayed in that wiki.

Basically, I affect you to perceive that you can break a wall with your fingers. Fine so far, but that doesn't change either your fingers or the building, because it didn't change the object. When you try to shove your hand into the wall to break it, physics kick in and you break your own hands, regardless of how you "saw" the relation between fingers and stone walls.

It's probably the most powerful illusory power. But it doesn't affect how reality works, provided that there are physical laws. It can only work as described in the wiki in a fully conceptual universe, which most settings are not.

Ohhh... The problem is that I understood what was written in the wiki as you explained it here.

[AMimsyBorogove]

I prefer Manipulation of Potential. Much more fun. =D

[Genndy Oda C.O.G.]

*enters Coffee Room, unnoticed by the commotion, and pours a cup of hot chocolate.*

*walks over to Genndy and smacks the hot chocolate to the floor* No outside drinks. Here take some chocolate Green Stuff[*]tm[*] *hands it to you and walks away muttering about who people think they are and being to big for their britches*

*looks down at spilled hot chocolate in irritation* And yet no one decided to tell me this earlier? I've been importing this cocoa from some company called "DCSO" for a while now, and it's pretty darn spiffy, if I do say so myself!

[The Wild West Pyro]

( Enters Coffee Room, raises C96 and starts doing his weekly target practice.)

[SpiritfChaos]

*teleports in and sets a glowing shovel on a table*

[The Wild West Pyro]

*teleports in and sets a glowing shovel on a table*

Ooh, a shovel! Why is it glowing?

[SpiritfChaos]

*teleports in and sets a glowing shovel on a table*

Ooh, a shovel! Why is it glowing?

*hides the shovel from Pyro* It may or may not be a magic shovel.

[The Wild West Pyro]

*teleports in and sets a glowing shovel on a table*

Ooh, a shovel! Why is it glowing?

*hides the shovel from Pyro* It may or may not be a magic shovel.

OK.

( Continues target practice.)

[Victin]

I'm planning to write this, someday, when I miraculously find time to, and only after I finish the plot line I'm planning to two characters I've not even written yet. I think the necessary context here is: I have a character which is a child prodigy and a Kraken, I'm going to make one which is the president of West Coast Inc. (main branch of Pacific Ocean Corp., a subsidiary of World Seas Enterprise, owned by Lord Neptvne Poseidon himself) and I'm going to make another character which, while doesn't appear in this scene personally, she has a "psychic" power over the Underworld.

So, after the giant undead shark is summoned, he goes to wrestle the pre-teen Kraken humanoid underground while an army of Zombies fight super-powered individuals. And to stop the Megashark versus Giant Octopus fight (I'm pretty sure that's also an actual movie). The President/Chairwoman tries to use her Business Power to hire Kraig or something. But he is unaffected and when she asks why he replies "I'm underage" and finishes off the megalodon.

What do you think?

[JRPictures]

I'm planning to write this, someday, when I miraculously find time to, and only after I finish the plot line I'm planning to two characters I've not even written yet. I think the necessary context here is: I have a character which is a child prodigy and a Kraken, I'm going to make one which is the president of West Coast Inc. (main branch of Pacific Ocean Corp., a subsidiary of World Seas Enterprise, owned by Lord Neptvne Poseidon himself) and I'm going to make another character which, while doesn't appear in this scene personally, she has a "psychic" power over the Underworld.

So, after the giant undead shark is summoned, he goes to wrestle the pre-teen Kraken humanoid underground while an army of Zombies fight super-powered individuals. And to stop the Megashark versus Giant Octopus fight (I'm pretty sure that's also an actual movie). The President/Chairwoman tries to use her Business Power to hire Kraig or something. But he is unaffected and when she asks why he replies "I'm underage" and finishes off the megalodon.

What do you think?

Interesting very interesting and absurd.

And yes that is a movie. So bad it's good in fact