Forum Mafia: Round 2

[Anura]

I don't know what you're talking about.

I mean, it's not like I just edited the first *a*a name I saw or anything.

[Dryunya]

Ok, now is the time when we're supposed to make conclusions based on the first 2 murders. I'm not really good at that, so I'll wait for your arguments.

[eli_gone_crazy]

Dryu, you seem awfully standoffish, considering your earlier behavior.

[narrativedilettante]

I vote we lynch Krika because he makes decisions based on a die role and that randomness frightens me.

[Krika]

I vote we lynch Krika because he makes decisions based on a die role and that randomness frightens me.

On the other hand, it means I quite obviously have no particular agenda (at least until the number of people are reduced to a manageable number). That being said....

*rolls a d12*

*dice comes up 2*

*checks the list on the front page*

....I swear this wasn't intentional. This is just how the dice roll. I KNEW this just had to happen, but I was hoping it wouldn't happen. Vote to kill Narra.

[Dryunya]

Dryu, you seem awfully standoffish, considering your earlier behavior.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The first day? The first game?

I really am not sure where to go from here. Xana was mafia'd, but he only voted for Sicon at day - let's be honest, if Sicon wanted to kill somebody, he'd not be so transparent.
Unless he knew we knew he'd not be so transparent. But let's not go there.

UPD:

*rolls a d12*

*dice comes up 2*

....I swear this wasn't intentional. This is just how the dice roll. I KNEW this just had to happen, but I was hoping it wouldn't happen. Vote to kill Narra.

This comes to mind.

By the way, if you roll your own number, do you vote for yourself?

[Krika]

This comes to mind.

By the way, if you roll your own number, do you vote for yourself?

Well yeah. Otherwise I'm not living by the dice.

Also, I feel like I should remind people that most of us (myself sorta included) don't really know how to play this properly. In my case that's just because I'm used to in-person games and the quirks that come with them. In other people's cases, they are just new. So never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity (not that anyway here is stupid, that's just how the phrase goes). I'm trying to give people leniency in my judgement for skill level. Which still says that Qara and Jack are being buddy-buddy, but for all we know they could be the Masons, not the Mafia.

[Pixelmage]

Uhm...
This is weird.

Let's see... Let's see... It's still probably Jack's fault. So, vote Jack.

[narrativedilettante]

So, basically, whoever wrote the random number generator for Krika's section of the universe happened to choose me by a random die roll.

At least, I think that's what Dryu's saying.

[Dryunya]

Ok, I admit the comic doesn't really fit and I only included it because of associations, but I guess I'm saying we don't actually see Krika making rolls. It's entirely possible for him to pick someone and say "Random Number God demands your sacrifice", which is sort of how it looked when he voted for you.
In that case he does have the same defense Sicon has, though - too obvious.

[Krika]

Ok, I admit the comic doesn't really fit and I only included it because of associations, but I guess I'm saying we don't actually see Krika making rolls. It's entirely possible for him to pick someone and say "Random Number God demands your sacrifice", which is sort of how it looked when he voted for you.
In that case he does have the same defense Sicon has, though - too obvious.

I will record videos of myself rolling these dice if you insist. *is being completely serious*

[Victin]

Okay. My second Mafia round, lemme see if I can do better than last time. Tohr's move might not seem smart at first but it allows us, Townies, to lynch off someone without risking it being a power role, since at Day 1 chances of hitting Mafia are unlikely. In our case, I'm assuming we have a 4-6 Mafia. 6 would mean Mafia wins after today's lynch, 5 after today's lynch and tonight's kill. So I almost feel safe enough to say we have 4 Mafia, as our current number of 12 players would result in 6 Mafia = 6 Townies = Mafia Victory, and if we had 5 Mafia tomorrow would start as 5 Mafia = 5 Townies = Mafia Victory (Anura did changes the rules to that, no?).

But very well. I'd rather overestimate an enemy and be overprepared than underestimate and underprepare. 5 Mafia until we have a confirmation tomorrow. Also, I'll count myself as unkwnown when talking about who is siding with whom, because that's my status for everyone else.

Starting with the Mafia kill: Xana. Last player to vote, didn't even know the game had started (according to himself in the chatroom). The least conspiscuous target, raises less suspicion because he didn't seem to plot in any direction (sans "Kill Sicon") and keeps everyone else and their plotting on the game to distract us from the Mafia.

Now, the lynching. The Mafia can't PM each other during the day. So if they did, they are cheaters and losers. If there was any coordinated act during Day 1 it was Masonry. But the Mafia know each other, so they could simply support each other without discussing anything we couldn't see or rather avoid themselves and support other people to drag them along in "suspiciously coordinated" territory.

Tohr's move to lynch herself may or not have been given much thought by her, but as I said at the beggining, I consider it to be a very smart move. Specially when it dragged so many people along, I could even say she's sided with the Masons, as they could think it up together and put the plan in motion (though that would mean one of the Masons died, and I don't like that). But dumb luck, and Mafiosi seeing an easy target trying to kill itself for no apparent reason can easily help too.

Narra agrees to lynch Tohr. Russ says we lynch Narra. Then, it starts. Krika says we lynch Narra. And look, someone else agrees. If Tohr was trying to fake us out by being Mafia, and voting to kill herself to make us think she's not Mafia, voting to kill Narra is just random. Random chance, perhaps?

Dryu goes for Qara. Jack goes for Tohr. Dryu raises the point the Masons should be kept in secret or else they'd be targeted by the Mafia. Sophira raises a point that I myself would follow in Day 1, but she herself even points out the problems with it. Pixel goes for Jack. Qara goes for Tohr.

Recap: Tohr, Narra, Qara, Jack against Tohr. Russ, Krika against Narra. Pixel against Jack. Dryu against Qara. I feel it's relevant to point out Dryu went for Qara with apparent randomness, because it was before Qara even acted once.

Endless makes a vote possibly aiming for a tie, or if not, Jack. Last game he and Jack were against each other, so I assume that's what Endless wanted to refer to. Eli goes for Endless, who confirms his vote against Narra.

Following we have a conversation. I personally don't know if I'm supposed to take anything from it. Logically, I assume it certainly can give me lots of information because of its casualty, but I right now I fail to extract said information. Except Dryu's focus on trying to understand the Masons and their numbers.

Sophira goes for me. Anura mentions the Miller. And that's all. We have no confirmation if there's a Miller in the game, I'd say no. I abstain from voting because illness. Sophira apologizes in the chat and tells me she wanted a vote that'd be meaningless, since I had no previous votes on me and other people had many. Looking back I should've pointed out she would have had to tell me that in this thread because of the rules. Eli changes her vote for me, I think.

Recap: Tohr, Narra, Qara, Jack against Tohr. Russ, Krika, Endless against Narra. Pixel against Jack. Dryu against Qara. Sophira, Eli against me. I abstain from voting.

More casual conversation. Sicon says he totally was planning to not attract attention to himself and didn't forget the game at all. He also votes against himself. Tohr changes her vote, this time against Sicon. Sicon changes his vote for Russ. Tohr changes her vote back to against herself. Russ changes her vote to Tohr. Xana votes against Sicon.

Final result: Tohr, Narra, Qara, Jack, Russ against Tohr. Krika, Endless against Narra. Pixel against Jack. Dryu against Qara. Sophira, Eli against me. Sicon against Russ. Xana votes against Sicon. I abstain from voting.

Now I'm wondering what's the chance of the Cop and/or the Doctor being Masons. I don't know if Anura would make the game that easy for Townies. I'll assume no. So, to conclude, I'll say my personal opinion on the results:

Tohr - Town, probably Mason, Dead
Narra - Unknown, maybe Mason or Mafia who knew Tohr was Town
Qara - Unknown, maybe Mason or Mafia who knew Tohr was Town
Jack - Unknown, maybe Mason or Mafia who knew Tohr was Town
Russ - Unknown
Krika - Unknown, probably Mafia
Endless - Unknown
Pixel - Unknown
Dryu - Unknown
Sophira - Unknown
Eli - Unknown
Sicon - Unknown
Xana - Town, probably not a power role, Dead
Victin - Unknown

All unknown are suspicious, for different reasons, and I think I made some clear, and I thought the others were clear enough on their own that they didn't need to be said. Narra-Jack-Qara is either a group you want dead or alive, but we can't be sure if they are Town or Mafia. I highly suspect we have 2-4 Masons for balancing reasons. Out of 14 players, 4 were Mafia, 1 was Cop and another was Doctor. That leaves 8 players. If a Mason can't be a Cop or a Doctor, that is. If one's a Cop, that'd be really, really useful. Since I think 4 Masons would be as many as Mafia, as I think it'd highly overpower us (though that's underestimating the enemy, and as I said at the beginning, problematic) because 4 Masons = 4 Mafia, and 2 Masons would be highly unnefective, I estimate 3 Masons. One being Tohr, who's dead, which would mean we have two other Masons. But three people other than Tohr voted for her, which makes me assume at least one of them is a Mason. Alternatively, the Masons might've decided to sacrifice Tohr but never voted for her, leaving the Mafia to expose themselves by voting against someone they knew wasn't Mafia.

But I can't know, so I'll end this wall of text in a very abrupt way: I say we lynch Krika.

[Endless Sea]

Victin's analyzing for the rest of the players! He's obviously trying to misdirect us and draw away suspicion! He must be part of the mafia!

Therefore, I vote for Pixel. [/logic]

[Victin]

Victin's analyzing for the rest of the players! He's obviously trying to misdirect us and draw away suspicion! He must be part of the mafia!

Therefore, I vote for Pixel. [/logic]

Well, last round I didn't do anything because I was sick, and since I didn't do anything you could say I was already trying to not draw suspicion to me (which would have failed because both eli and Sophire voted against me). This time I at least tried to not classify me as Town in my end list

[eli_gone_crazy]

Endless is shooting in the dark.
Krika is rolling in the dark.
Narra is terrified.
Qara is insane.
Jack is also insane.
Pixel is playing on his own plane of logic.
Sicon is being far too quiet.
Both Sophira and Russet haven't posted enough data to make a decision.

Using that information, I am going to vote for Dryu. Comparing this round to the last, he's gone from bombastic to reserved, and that seems too out of character to ignore.

[Victin]

Endless is shooting in the dark.
Krika is rolling in the dark.
Narra is terrified.
Qara is insane.
Jack is also insane.
Pixel is playing on his own plane of logic.
Sicon is being far too quiet.
Both Sophira and Russet haven't posted enough data to make a decision.

Using that information, I am going to vote for Dryu. Comparing this round to the last, he's gone from bombastic to reserved, and that seems too out of character to ignore.

Can't say I disagree. As I said, everyone tagged as Unknown is suspicious for one reason or another. I think he was just slightly less blatant than Krika. Just slightly.

[Krika]

See, the thing about trying to get yourself killed as soon as possible is to do so in a way that makes people think you're the Mafia, but try not to be so blatant about getting yourself killed. And I do have quite a bit of experience playing to lose in Mafia. Just wanted to bring up that point.

[eli_gone_crazy]

so, what you're telling us is that you are neither the mafia, nor do you care about living or dying. Either way, it's more profitable to keep your unpredictability in play.

[Sicon112]

And to completely derail everything, I vote for Russ. Why? I have my reasons...

[narrativedilettante]

Wow, Victin's gone from super sparse posts to full-blown analysis.

I'm impressed.

[Victin]

Wow, Victin's gone from super sparse posts to full-blown analysis.

I'm impressed.

Yeah, another strange shift in behaviour. @_@ Suspicious.

[Krika]

so, what you're telling us is that you are neither the mafia, nor do you care about living or dying. Either way, it's more profitable to keep your unpredictability in play.

My choice to live by the dice (gotta work cards in somehow...) is entirely unrelated to my allegiance, whatever it may be. I could be a Townie, a Mafia, a Mason, and I'd still be behaving like this. My choice to be random is completely and plainly that.

Also, it confuses EVERYONE. Except the Mafia, I suppose, but still. Sowing confusion is fun.

[RussetDivinity]

I think it only makes sense that I vote for Sicon. He seems to want me dead, and I would prefer to stay alive.

[eli_gone_crazy]

so, what you're telling us is that you are neither the mafia, nor do you care about living or dying. Either way, it's more profitable to keep your unpredictability in play.

My choice to live by the dice (gotta work cards in somehow...) is entirely unrelated to my allegiance, whatever it may be. I could be a Townie, a Mafia, a Mason, and I'd still be behaving like this. My choice to be random is completely and plainly that.

Also, it confuses EVERYONE. Except the Mafia, I suppose, but still. Sowing confusion is fun.

Again, either way, your unpredictability is immensely useful at this point.

[Victin]

so, what you're telling us is that you are neither the mafia, nor do you care about living or dying. Either way, it's more profitable to keep your unpredictability in play.

My choice to live by the dice (gotta work cards in somehow...) is entirely unrelated to my allegiance, whatever it may be. I could be a Townie, a Mafia, a Mason, and I'd still be behaving like this. My choice to be random is completely and plainly that.

Also, it confuses EVERYONE. Except the Mafia, I suppose, but still. Sowing confusion is fun.

Again, either way, your unpredictability is immensely useful at this point.

How? If he's Mafia, it's useful because he dies. If he's Town, it's damaging because he dies.