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Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:08 pm
by Pixelmage
Qara-Xuan Zenith wrote:Well, as I mentioned in the cake thread, I'll be doing it. It'll be my... fifth year.
And don't worry, everyone, there are lots of ways to cheat! Legitimately.
(my first year: include lots of "encoded reports" (read: unrelated stuff I wrote for school, with the words scrambled and random words added in when I got desperate); get rid of all contractions, use the word processor's thesaurus to find the wordiest way of saying everything.)
(my second year: write a novel about someone doing nanowrimo. Include his attempts at his novel-- even if it means showing the same one, every time he opens the document and reads what he's written. Also include his pathetic attempts at cheating, such as writing the numbers from one to four hundred.)

And even though the rules say you have to be sole author... it's not really enforced. There's no monetary value to the prize; no one reads your novel, it just gets run through a word count validator. The prize is just an online certificate you can download and type your name in (so multiple writers, using one account, could each get a copy of the certificate).

Of course, I'm all for winning without cheating, which I've done for the past two years. But anything to get more people to join the madness! (You can find me on the nanowrimo forums with the same name as here.)


Happy to know a veteran. :)
I'm not at the forums there yet, but I should go there to get a feel for the atmosphere a few days before the start though... First time, and I think I'll take the 'hard' route: Original material only, without ecoding 'research material'. Let's see if I can do it. I'll have the whole month free, so there's not much of a excuse to not write. :lol:

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:47 am
by agoraoptera
Pixel: I intend to, but I don't know if I can. I'll try! Perhaps I could submit it for NaNoWriMo.

On that note, is it cheating for NaNoWriMo if I take something half-written already then finish it? :D

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:23 am
by Pixelmage
agoraoptera wrote:Pixel: I intend to, but I don't know if I can. I'll try! Perhaps I could submit it for NaNoWriMo.

On that note, is it cheating for NaNoWriMo if I take something half-written already then finish it? :D


Yes. Especially because it's already past the halfway mark.
Did you read the PM..? I'm afraid I got a little bit overboard...

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:32 am
by agoraoptera
I read the PM! Nah, wasn't overboard, I loved it :D
Hm... Then again my exams are going to leave me with just about half or less of November, so it makes sense to write the second half of my story so it SHOULD be fine..... Right??

(Desperate rationalisation to cheat my way in :D)

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:40 am
by Pixelmage
agoraoptera wrote:I read the PM! Nah, wasn't overboard, I loved it :D
Hm... Then again my exams are going to leave me with just about half or less of November, so it makes sense to write the second half of my story so it SHOULD be fine..... Right??

(Desperate rationalisation to cheat my way in :D)


Well, it's not as if they can know you already had half of it typed and ready, I won't use previous material, but I guess there are many who do.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:43 am
by agoraoptera
Pixelmage wrote:
agoraoptera wrote:I read the PM! Nah, wasn't overboard, I loved it :D
Hm... Then again my exams are going to leave me with just about half or less of November, so it makes sense to write the second half of my story so it SHOULD be fine..... Right??

(Desperate rationalisation to cheat my way in :D)


Well, it's not as if they can know you already had half of it typed and ready, I won't use previous material, but I guess there are many who do.

Hiak hiak hiak. *evil laughter* Ah well, it won't really be cheating since I barely have half the time anyway. Mehhhhh.... Now I feel better about my decision. :P

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:35 am
by Scarab
I'll be doing nanowrimo too. This'll be only my second year and my first year attempting a total original piece. I don't mind telling you I am JUST a tad nervous about it.

What I want to know is, has anybody ever been so desperate for a plotpoint they actually DID have to throw ninjas at it?

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:38 am
by Pixelmage
Scarab wrote:I'll be doing nanowrimo too. This'll be only my second year and my first year attempting a total original piece. I don't mind telling you I am JUST a tad nervous about it.

What I want to know is, has anybody ever been so desperate for a plotpoint they actually DID have to throw ninjas at it?

Never got to that point. Usually I go flashback and sideplots, meaning I have quite a few pages of buffer to come up with something on the main plot.
But! I never had a time limit either... So I have no idea how I'll handle this. I'm quite a lot more nervous than "just a tad".

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:41 am
by Scarab
Pixelmage wrote:
Scarab wrote:I'll be doing nanowrimo too. This'll be only my second year and my first year attempting a total original piece. I don't mind telling you I am JUST a tad nervous about it.

What I want to know is, has anybody ever been so desperate for a plotpoint they actually DID have to throw ninjas at it?

Never got to that point. Usually I go flashback and sideplots, meaning I have quite a few pages of buffer to come up with something on the main plot.
But! I never had a time limit either... So I have no idea how I'll handle this. I'm quite a lot more nervous the "just a tad".


Honestly if you're fond of writing then it can be easier than it seems... Well, at least at some points...that's how I found it. There were days when I thought 'OH MY GOD NEVER GONNA DO THIS' but the closer towards the end I got, the easier it became.

My usual method is to throw out as much as I possibly can, as quickly as I possibly can, and then you can take it easier the next few days.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:32 am
by Sicon112
Scarab wrote:I'll be doing nanowrimo too. This'll be only my second year and my first year attempting a total original piece. I don't mind telling you I am JUST a tad nervous about it.

What I want to know is, has anybody ever been so desperate for a plotpoint they actually DID have to throw ninjas at it?


I have, admittedly, solved issues on multiple occasions with the technique known as "Spawn more mooks!", but that usually is when I get stuck in the middle of a fight scene as opposed to having a ninja attack in the middle of a normal scene.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:53 am
by Scarab
Sicon112 wrote:
Scarab wrote:I'll be doing nanowrimo too. This'll be only my second year and my first year attempting a total original piece. I don't mind telling you I am JUST a tad nervous about it.

What I want to know is, has anybody ever been so desperate for a plotpoint they actually DID have to throw ninjas at it?


I have, admittedly, solved issues on multiple occasions with the technique known as "Spawn more mooks!", but that usually is when I get stuck in the middle of a fight scene as opposed to having a ninja attack in the middle of a normal scene.


Fight scenes are something I find very difficult to write. I'm not sure if that's just me or if it's the kind of thing a lot of people struggle with, but there are only so many ways to make fight scenes interesting in text unless your name is... I dunno, Terry Pratchett or something, and he seems to use 'em in moderation.

Any advice for handling multiple fight scenes without it getting dull?

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:13 am
by Sicon112
Scarab wrote:Fight scenes are something I find very difficult to write. I'm not sure if that's just me or if it's the kind of thing a lot of people struggle with, but there are only so many ways to make fight scenes interesting in text unless your name is... I dunno, Terry Pratchett or something, and he seems to use 'em in moderation.

Any advice for handling multiple fight scenes without it getting dull?


Think in three dimensions. Keep track of everything. Abuse epic metaphors. Situational awareness is paramount, even if you are just writing it. A lot of people find extended battles hard.

Basically, what I find easiest is to visualize the entire thing first, usually while listening to music like TSFH. Once you have the outline in your head, you need to write it down with attention to both allowing your readers to see the fight as you see it and to allowing them to feel as they read "WOW! That's awesome!".

As to detail, there is a very delicate balance. If you go into extremely in depth descriptions of every single movement, it can get monotonous. If you remain too vague about the whole thing, they can't feel that exhilaration you want them to be feeling. Take this excerpt from one of my RPG posts:

(Music that inspired it here)

As his voice faded, he heard the clink of metal plates behind and above him. What? My flames should have stopped all ground based opponents from reaching me! However, as he whirled and brought his sword to bear, the claws of the leaping knight flashed down upon him with monstrous strength, overpowering his hasty guard. The sound of shattering metal echoed through the cave, and the pillar of flames died down as the black cloaked form of Sabrac spun through the air, managing to land from his fall in a low crouch. There was no hint of any wounds on his body or damage to his clothing. His eyes became slits of pure malevolence as he stared back the way he had come, slowly standing and holding up his right hand from under his mantle, revealing the hilt of his sword and the jagged fragment of blade still attached to it. His killing intent became almost physical in nature, though his voice, when he spoke, remained the same flat tone as before. "It seems my habit of thinking aloud has caused me to lose one of my blades to an insignificant creature. How upsetting. There will likely not be a chance to replace it for a long time." The knight came bounding across the area between them, but even as it did so, twin bolts of madder red flame tore from the walls behind and above it, each one severing a wing of the final Zubat, which was attempting to dive in behind the knight to attack Sabrac. As the knight dodged to the side, Sabrac's hands shot up, snatched the flaming blades from the air as they reached him, and swung them down and to each side. "Come then. You have utilized your first strike and landed a hit. Now, we must determine whether you are capable of following it up after your target has survived."

The knight leaped towards him, claws raised to slash, but with a grunt and a flash of flames at his feet, Sabrac crossed the space between them instantly, his body low to the ground, and his blades slashing upwards from the right with all the velocity of his launch. The force of the double slash sent the knight stumbling back, but did no damage to the armor. However, Sabrac did not slow, leaping forward with a flurry of blades that seemed to strike from all sides at once. The first few blows landed, but the knight regained it's balance and parried the next, counter attacking with another insanely powerful slash. This time, however, Sabrac did not aim to block it, but easily redirected the force with the blade in his left hand, while the blade in his right stabbed deep into the gap in the knee joint. The knight released an inhuman cry and fell to one knee as Sabrac, continuing with the motion of the thrust, pivoted on his right foot, ripping the blade from the joint and twisting around behind his opponent, both blades ready to slash at its unprotected back. As he turned, his eyes caught sight of the backless helmet and vulnerable brain. Ah. I see the weakness that it foolishly attempted to hide. Now, I shall end this with one more strike. The blade in his left hand, followed by its twin shot towards the opening with a hum that promised imminent death. However, the knight managed to turn and barely bring its arm into the path of the blades, deflecting the strike up and over the head of the crouching creature and bringing it under Sabrac's guard. The second claw slashed upwards in an attempt to disembowel him as he stumbled forward, but as his foot came down to support him, another burst of flames pulsed from beneath his boots, sending him flipping up and over the knight, flying over its shoulder upside down as his boots traced an arc of crimson through the air behind him. Now it was the knight who was off balance, and it fell forward onto it's hands and knees, leaving a perfect opening. Sabrac's blades lanced out again, this time far too fast for the weakened knight to block, but for the second time an overpowered claw strike slammed into his side, sending him flying head over heels. Another burst of flames righted his path, and he skidded across the ground leaving a trail of fire in his wake.


Single, strong focused attacks I describe, but you can see where I kinda give an overview of the flurry of slashes my character used. If you can hold that balance just right and give the text the right feel, it works out pretty well.

As for handling multiple fights with the same character, learn the physics of the universe you are working with. If you made it, that's easy. Just build versatility into everything. Manipulate the laws of magic and the world for the most awesome outcome. Change things up every fight so that you approach it differently. An example of this can again be seen in my RPG posts. My first fight, my character just wanted to get things over with, so he blasted everything with overwhelming power. My second, the one I'm in the middle of now, he has been hired to kill a target and now wants to hide his real abilities, causing him to rely more on his swords when he doesn't really need to use magic. Every fight I come at from a different angle and try not to do the same thing twice. Combine attacks, modify them between battles, subvert and twist any widely used attacks and then cleverly play them straight again.

It's not something that is easy, and a LOT of people have issues with it, including a lot of professional writers. I think it's a bit easier for me because I have a pretty good mental image of the things that I want to happen, and I can get pretty creative with the laws of any given magic. My rule of thumb is that if I run out of ideas, start applying theoretical physics. ^_^ That usually works out in ways that are either very awesome or very amusing. I'll take either.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:20 am
by Pixelmage
Scarab wrote:Fight scenes are something I find very difficult to write. I'm not sure if that's just me or if it's the kind of thing a lot of people struggle with, but there are only so many ways to make fight scenes interesting in text unless your name is... I dunno, Terry Pratchett or something, and he seems to use 'em in moderation.

Any advice for handling multiple fight scenes without it getting dull?

Avoid hamming up the common stuff. A nameless mook swings a sword at your protagonist... You could just say that "Scarab dodged the mercenary's swipe". It makes the fight scene a lot faster, giving a feeling of real time to it.
But you ham it up for the big guns.

"She wouldn't let the insult be ignored. A lowly mercenary dared to attack her? No. He had to pay. She drew her own sword, staring at the now frightened man. He would not wait to die, of course. But his decision was not to fight for his life or his mission. She hated cowards like him, crying and begging and running. He would not escape. She would not let him even try. All she could think was 'pathetic' as she pierced his chest. His pleas giving space to silence. 'truly pathetic'."

Now, I'm not the best fight scene writer... So... That's just how I do it, not saying it's the best way. Also, I'm nowhere near Sicon's (above) detailed 3D map control.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:25 am
by Scarab
I see... That's helpful, thank you both of you, slightly different suggestions, both useful.

I think I generally tend to waffle an awful lot in fight scenes, because I get distracted by trying to cram in EVERYTHING I want the characters to do into a few sentences, but I suually miss what's important. Ie. the ACTUAL battle. And thinking on it, I don't think I appreciate or play with the natural physics and rules of my unvierses nearly enough. Every battle I write feels exactly the same. No wonder they end up dull.

Also that is an epic song.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:28 am
by Sicon112
Scarab wrote:I see... That's helpful, thank you both of you, slightly different suggestions, both useful.

I think I generally tend to waffle an awful lot in fight scenes, because I get distracted by trying to cram in EVERYTHING I want the characters to do into a few sentences, but I suually miss what's important. Ie. the ACTUAL battle. And thinking on it, I don't think I appreciate or play with the natural physics and rules of my unvierses nearly enough. Every battle I write feels exactly the same. No wonder they end up dull.

Also that is an epic song.


It is, in my opinion, the most awesome song in the entire universe. The original EMIYA is the theme of Shirou Emiya, of F/SN fame, who's badassery is matched only by Kamina himself, and CROW'S CLAW is just pure awesome.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:29 am
by Scarab
Sicon112 wrote:
Scarab wrote:I see... That's helpful, thank you both of you, slightly different suggestions, both useful.

I think I generally tend to waffle an awful lot in fight scenes, because I get distracted by trying to cram in EVERYTHING I want the characters to do into a few sentences, but I suually miss what's important. Ie. the ACTUAL battle. And thinking on it, I don't think I appreciate or play with the natural physics and rules of my unvierses nearly enough. Every battle I write feels exactly the same. No wonder they end up dull.

Also that is an epic song.


It is, in my opinion, the most awesome song in the entire universe. The original EMIYA is the theme of Shirou Emiya, of F/SN fame, who's badassery is matched only by Kamina himself, and CROW'S CLAW is just pure awesome.


Well, damn, I'm going to have to go hunt down that ENTIRE soundtrack somehow, if the rest of it sounds as badass as that...

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:30 am
by Sicon112
Scarab wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:
Scarab wrote:I see... That's helpful, thank you both of you, slightly different suggestions, both useful.

I think I generally tend to waffle an awful lot in fight scenes, because I get distracted by trying to cram in EVERYTHING I want the characters to do into a few sentences, but I suually miss what's important. Ie. the ACTUAL battle. And thinking on it, I don't think I appreciate or play with the natural physics and rules of my unvierses nearly enough. Every battle I write feels exactly the same. No wonder they end up dull.

Also that is an epic song.


It is, in my opinion, the most awesome song in the entire universe. The original EMIYA is the theme of Shirou Emiya, of F/SN fame, who's badassery is matched only by Kamina himself, and CROW'S CLAW is just pure awesome.


Well, damn, I'm going to have to go hunt down that ENTIRE soundtrack somehow, if the rest of it sounds as badass as that...


It's by Kenji Kawai. Of course it does. Try this one too.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:34 am
by Scarab
Sicon112 wrote:It's by Kenji Kawai. Of course it does. Try this one too.


Aaaand sucess, Kenji Kawai is on iTunes, now I don't have to spend ages looking for it! Thanks!

I hope you realise that Musubareru Sekai thing is now the default Sicon music in my head.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:35 am
by Sicon112
Scarab wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:It's by Kenji Kawai. Of course it does. Try this one too.


Aaaand sucess, Kenji Kawai is on iTunes, now I don't have to spend ages looking for it! Thanks!

I hope you realise that Musubareru Sekai thing is now the default Sicon music in my head.


I hope you realize I had BOTH of those songs in open tabs this whole time, so I didn't have to actually open them. That's the reason these linked to YouTube repeat instead of normal YouTube. ^_^

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:36 am
by Scarab
Sicon112 wrote:
Scarab wrote:
Sicon112 wrote:It's by Kenji Kawai. Of course it does. Try this one too.


Aaaand sucess, Kenji Kawai is on iTunes, now I don't have to spend ages looking for it! Thanks!

I hope you realise that Musubareru Sekai thing is now the default Sicon music in my head.


I hope you realize I had BOTH of those songs in open tabs this whole time, so I didn't have to actually open them. That's the reason these linked to YouTube repeat instead of normal YouTube. ^_^


Youtube repeat: instant awesome, on repeat.

Are you familiar with these guys? I'm pretty fond of them.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:43 am
by Pixelmage
I didn't finish editing my last addition to my music library... And you guys post this...
Crowning Music of Awesome is Awesome. :D
And Sicon... You're making me want to play F/SN... Damn... If thinks keep going like this I'll have to go God of Conquest Mode just to collect the games and songs!

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:52 am
by Sicon112
Pixelmage wrote:I didn't finish editing my last addition to my music library... And you guys post this...
Crowning Music of Awesome is Awesome. :D
And Sicon... You're making me want to play F/SN... Damn... If thinks keep going like this I'll have to go God of Conquest Mode just to collect the games and songs!


Definitely play the VN. Watching the anime itself is OK, but not great. It follows the fate route, (first route, the one for Saber) but slides in scenes of UBW (Rin) and references to Heaven's Feel (Sakura). Kinda mashed together and a tad hurried, but it's OK. The Archer vs. Berserker scene was so ungodly awesome that it spawned a completely new word for insane amounts of badassery, though. And of course it spawned the Unlimited Blade Works meme. I watched it mostly sub, which was pretty damn awesome, but there is a dub. All I know about it is that Archer is voiced by Liam O'Brien, who I happen to like, so that's cool.

As for the movie, it covers the events of UBW as best as a movie can. On the one hand, it is the movie I have re-watched the most times out of all the movies I've ever watched. On the other, if you haven't read the UBW route, you will have no bloody clue what you just watched at all. They knew there would be no way to actually cover the entire thing in one movie, so they just put together a highlights reel to make it as awesome as they could for their fans.

Personally, as you might have noticed, I prefer the UBW route overall, for the obvious reason that it has Unlimited Blade Works. However, Rin is pretty damn funny to mess with *cough*mansionscene*cough* and she IS pretty mucht he poster girl (and Tvtropes page image) for Tsundere, so that's always a bonus.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:31 pm
by Pixelmage
I already watched the Anime though. Still pending F/Zero and the Movie... But I'm more interested in the VN. And indeed, Rin is my favorite, so UBW is the route of choice!

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:33 pm
by Sicon112
Pixelmage wrote:I already watched the Anime though. Still pending F/Zero and the Movie... But I'm more interested in the VN. And indeed, Rin is my favorite, so UBW is the route of choice!


^_^ Huzzah! Like I said, the movie is awesome, but you need to have read the VN. I need to go watch Carnival Phantasm myself. I'm a bit behind with stuff becomes of this ARG.

Anyhow, sorry about the derail there.

Re: NaNoWriMo is coming.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:35 pm
by Pixelmage
Sicon112 wrote:
Pixelmage wrote:I already watched the Anime though. Still pending F/Zero and the Movie... But I'm more interested in the VN. And indeed, Rin is my favorite, so UBW is the route of choice!


^_^ Huzzah! Like I said, the movie is awesome, but you need to have read the VN. I need to go watch Carnival Phantasm myself. I'm a bit behind with stuff becomes of this ARG.

Anyhow, sorry about the derail there.


Don't be. I know I'm not. We can just re-rail once someone has something to say about the NaNoWriMo. :lol: